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Knots plus super glue/cement?

6.4K views 14 replies 14 participants last post by  scavengerj  
#1 ·
I've heard about people adding super glue or rubber cement around knots to help create a smoother surface in the hopes of limiting guide contact.

Is this really done and does it really work? Are their concerns about the glue/cement reacting chemically with the mono or braid - thus actually weakening the line itself?
 
#4 ·
the man is right!

alot of those glues produce heat too, which in my mind cant be a good thing. keep your shock as short as possible and keep your rod tip facing the line going out and you should not have any problems at all
 
#5 ·
I used to use a knot that if you clipped the tag ends too short there was the possibility of the knot coming undone. In that case a dab of glue might help. but I've found a knot I like better and has no chance of coming apart- so no more glue for me on knots- I don't think they will add any real "strength" to the equation- and it would take a bit of a neat trick to get the glue to set up in such a fashion that it would help smooth the knot out- and would take a big glob of it to actually add any protection all the way around the knot. Some glues actually cause the knot section to "stiffen" up - actually making it harder to go through the guides smoothly.

Like said -tie small, secure knots that you have confidence in and you can leave the glue at home (at least as far as knots go)
 
#7 ·
Bass pro shops sell a special super glue for knots and other fishing repairs. Two years ago, during the winter I started using these super glues when making my own rigs. Prior to this I bought rigs and noticed that many of them were glued. If major company's use glue it means to me it can only help. I too questioned the chemical reaction, so I called Seagaur, two days later one of their engineers called and informed me that super glue will not react with flourocarbon lines. I then called Power Pro, same response. Bottom line is that I will glue my Knots while sitting at my work bench, during the winter, while dreaming of the big one that didn't get away!. I have never had a problem with knots that have been glued and if you say that tying good knots, "they wont ever come apart or break", I agree. But why not, getting ready for fishing is fun also.
 
#8 · (Edited)
Loon Outdoors UV Knot Sense

Loon Outdoors makes a product called UV Knot Sense that is used a lot in fly fishing. I used it when I was tying on a fly in the middle of a trout creek or stream to make sure the knot would hold.:)

It will not stick to your fingers and is only activated when exposed to sunlight and then will cure in about 10 secs.:fishing:

Great stuff.

Here the url for their product

http://www.loonoutdoors.com/products/uvknotsense.html
 
#12 ·
If you need glue on your knots you are not tying the correct knot for the line you are using. Different lines and different applications need different knots. A knot is not only one single force on the line, it is many forces. A good knot in a specific line puts even force through out the knot, a bad knot will not distribute the force evenly causing it to fail. If you glue the knot you are defeating the purpose of a good knot by changing the forces exerted on the line. The line needs to be able to move naturally throuhout the knot to hold correctly, the glue will prevent this from happening.

John
 
#13 ·
I think the benefit of the glue is to streamline and protect the knot as it bangs through the guides. Is it better with or without... who knows? You can find veterans who swear by either way.

BTW, the method I've been shown is to apply a drop of glue and then quickly spin the knot in your fingers to create a streamlined 'shield' around the knot. Do I personally do this? Not too often... just too worried about gluing my fingers to the line!
 
#14 ·
I glue mine unless I tie it after dark and can't find the glue. And I do trust my knots. One of the best surf boys on the east coast years ago showed me this trick and I have always glued my no-name, albright, bristol, to my small 17 lbs Sufix.
 
#15 ·
Recently just had an Albright knot failure. 20# braid to 8# fluoro. Examining the knot under a scope at 30X I can see that the problem was where the fluoro left the knot. It had started to splinter. Upon closer examination it was apparent that the gule did nothing but flake off as there was barely any evidence of the knot even having been glued. The knot was taken apart with an exacto blade and probes. It was as tight as the day I tied it. What I also noted was that none of the glue had been absorbed into the braid. The fibers looked as they normally do when pulled apart w/o being glued. The fluoro material inside of the knot showed no signs of damage from any glue. I think the coatings used on the braid prevent the glue from penetrating the fibers.

I see no benefit of glue adding to the strength of a knot. At best it may only to help protect the knot from abrasions.

Just my observations.