Jay B - the oceans are all voyage one or two which are different from the stuff that is on the shelf now. It was true small batch, only 700 or voyage one and 5000 of voyage 2. no groth in there, as you said, a waste of money. I like the original and the older stuff (19, 20 and 21year). Personally if I am drinking daily I am drinking Four Roses Small Batch. A great bottle for $35 and you can mix it and not feel like you are pouring $$$ down the drain.