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In a world where people are dying everyday,
I remember 9/11 like it was yesterday.

Though my life is less than perfect,
It cannot compare to the lives of those less fortunate.

Marriage problems,
Children problems,
Parents problems,
Job problems,
School problems,
Tide problems,
Moon problems,
Wind problems,

...somehow they all seem a galaxy away when I think about our people dying in foreign lands all over the world.

I'd like to take this opportunity to thank our armed forces personnel stationed all over the world, protecting our way of life so that we may have the kinds of problems I've listed above. Without you, there is no U.S. of A.

May you finish your tours without harm and happiest of holidays to all of you.

God speed.

Happy holidays to the members here at P&S

PS: Mr. Bush: Bring our people home and do your job! Do we really need to spend trillions of $$$ catch a few fanatics?
 

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We Are Blessed

With a President who's integrity and guts have been tested and proven beyond question.

To ALL Americans serving their Country and to their Commander and Chief.

Keep Up the GOOD WORK
 

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I am folowing Smoothbore on this on, and politically incorrect or not, OUR President goes to Iraq and shows his support for the troops, and it's a commercial campaign, something to raise his popularity, but hil goes, and whoa, how great that she would take her time to visit and show her (?) support.

You think 9/11 was planned that quick to blame it on President Bush? I doubt it (look at the facts, who we could have gotten while billy and Monica were doing thier thing in the Or oops Oval office), and for better or worse, President Bush hasn't backed down.

War is not a popular thing, especially when it may be one of your family, but at least President George Bush, Commander in Chief was and is willing to show the troops how he feels and supports them (though it doesn't seem certain Americans do, Merry Christmas troops) no matter what slant the press may put on it. For the record, economy is improving, markets at years high, and if you look back into the records, the economy and the markets went south during Monica's boyfriends term. Enough said, I am registered was a registered independent, and vote for who I think is best, and the Big Guy forbid, I'd hate to see where we may be if gore was president. :barf:

That said, Happy Holidays, from a guy who's grandfather and father served, and who tried but was turned down due to a sticking heart valve.

Yeah, we all got problems, and mine are minor, so let's work together instead of against!

GBAK

Have Jeep will travel.:D
 

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since this is turning into a political debate i thought I would put my two cents in. I support the troops, but I do not support the man who sent them there, and i support him even less since one of my friends had his dad killed in afghanistan. The economy is going up, but its a slow process and i hear that a lot of investment companys are fixing to have big layoffs. I am not democrat or republican but I lean more to democratic values, i guess you could call me a moderate with left leanings. I personally did not like bush or gore, I thought gore was fairly intelligent but did not know how to use his intelligence. I think bush is dumber than a box of rocks but he has decent advisors and listens to them, so i'll give him credit for that. I would rather have had bill bradley or john mccain either one as our president than bush or gore. say what you like about clintons values, he gave us a good economy (can you say NYS&E at 11000) and kept us out of wars. Bosnia doesn't count because we were part of a multinational peacekeeping force.
 

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It is a WAR on terrorist. Take it to them or they will bring it to us. Freedom has a price.

Best of luck to our boys over there and best wishes for some semblance of a Christmas.
 

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They say that Fighting for Peace is like Screwing for Virginity, but those are the same people that find a negative spin on anything they see. I think the only reason we are in the middle east now is because "Slick Willie" was too much of PU&&Y to enforce the rules that George senior laid down the first time we kicked their arse. Anyone that doesn't realize that we as the "Policemen of the World" need to keep the terorists in check, no matter what country they hail from, are only fooling themselves. Yes we as a country are truly blessed to have a President that is willing to stand up to the few that would do us harm and make the sometimes unpopular decisions to put our armed forces in harms way. I personally would rather hear about that than the "man" in office boinking his interns. We can leave that to the French!:D OOOPS, just realized that I've made a non-fishing remark on the board. Oh well sometimes I just can't help myself, God bless our troups and let's all hope they return home safely and at least try to have an enjoyable holidays, no matter where they are!! Who knows maybe "Dubya" will be there to serve them some holiday ham. Can't imagine the Slickster even having the wedding tackle to make the trip!
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Oh man, this is going to get ugly

Long as we're talking politics ;)

First off, it's billions that's being spent in Iraq, not trillions. And second, "a few fanatics" (19, fewer than are logged onto this site right now) were ignored a couple of years ago and as I recall that didn't have a very happy ending. We ignore these fruitcakes at our own peril.

I think you can argue about Iraq until the cows come home and there are good arguments to be made by either side, but Afghanistan was pure self defense. That was al Qaida's little nest, and to have ignored them would have been suicide.

As for whether or not all war is stupid and never solves anything, I'd point to the following groups who might disagree with you:
--Americans in the 1770's (war freed this country)
--Blacks in the 1860's (war ended slavery)
--Jews in the 1940's (war stopped their extermination)

And a million other examples from other countries. War is like a gun; it's neither good nor bad. It all depends on its use.

Yeah, this is a non-fishing thread but the can of worms has been opened...let's just make sure it stays civil.
 

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lol - it was never intended 2b political

I guess I should have left out the last part in my original post.

As our fearless leader (sand flea - not the guy in the white house) has said, I hope this stays civil.

Having said that, I hate Bush and his advisors that convinced him go into Iraq. Of course playing monday night quarterback is not fair, but rather than turn this into a heated debate, I'll just state my distaste for what washington did and hope for the best.

Happy Holidays

PS: The blackfish are biting in the deeper wrecks at 17 fathoms.

Legal Post! :D
 

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Greetings All!

Opinions are like assholes, everybody has one.

The fact remains that Iraq had nothing to do with September 11, has/had no weapons of mass destruction, and was about as big a threat to the U.S.A. as Pokemon.

The fact remains that George W Bush flew to a "combat" zone for a photo op for his 2004 campaign, not to show his support for the troops. He's already shown his support for the troops by trying to cut their hazard pay, by cutting Veteran's benefits, and by sending them in (against world opinion) to fight and die for oil. I won't go into details about the 30,000 plus innocent Iraqis killed so far in the Bush/Rumsfeld/Cheyney menage-a-trois wet dream about controlling Arab oil. Hopefully the World Court will have the balls to recognize and prosecute the trio as war criminals.

The fact remains that George (I can't remember Viet Nam 'cause I was high on dope) Bush had plenty of warning about 911 courtesy of the Iraeli "art students", but chose to allow the attack to facillitate his year old dream of invading Iraq.

The fact remains that Cheyney and Haliburton are the only ones to come out ahead in this whole mess.

The fact remains that the U.S.A. is now the second most feared nation in the world -- Not because of our military power, but because we have become a nation of religious fanatics willing to invade sovereign nations at the whim of Christian extremists.

The fact remains that hundreds of brave Americans have lost their lives, and thousands more wounded, trying to fight a high tech war against guerillas, something the U.S.A. should remember can suck the life out of any occupying force.

My guess is that twenty years from now all the fine "Americans" who love to demonstrate their support for the "selected" president and his Operation Freedom fiasco will be lined belly-up at the bar bragging how they were dead set against the "blood for oil" campaign. Sadam Hussein was created by the United States, and in a mirror image replay of Mary W Shelley's magnificent piece of fiction, may yet destroy his creator.

I have a recurring dream that I am standing between George W Bush and Sadam Hussein. I have a pistol in my hand, with only one bullet. A thunderous voice from above orders me to put the bullet through the brain of the biggest threat to the American way of life....

Dick Cheyney and friends went "hunting" and shot a couple of hundred pheasant.... I really don't think Claymores are sporting! (Hunting posts are legal, too!)
 

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Greetings DOVERPOWER!

Just clicked on your link. I found it moving to say the least... Nice to see someone else out there can seperate fact from hype! (Please note: I watch the BBC news to get an accurate picture of what is going on in Iraq, the Middle East, and the world.) And George W complains that he's the victim of a "liberal" media!

Spent three days in Atlantic City NJ. No fishing (I was on union business), but I did keep a watchful eye on the surf. No birds, only a few boats fishing, and no surf fishermen. I do hear they are still killing big stripers on the clam beds and in the rips, but most are beyond the three mile limit. (Hey, its a legitamate fishing report!)
 

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well said jake, i would have said it but i didn't want my post to be two pages long. dover the last scene in that slideshow holds special recognition for me (see previous post).

I support our troops, especially bringing them home.


To make it a legal post: wish i could get to the obx and catch some of them stripers!!!!!
 

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Now there's an interesting Concept

You get an "Accurate Picture" of World Events, from the BBC.

A "Nationalized" Media Source, from a Socialist Country ?


Guys, this has gotta' Stop !!!

I'm bitin' My Tongue so hard, It's gonna' need Stiches.
 

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for all the liberals and democrats screaming.."bring our troops home"...this wont help you win the presidency back...face it....you will not see a democrat in office for another few years....its time to put aside your pacifist and partisan idealogy's and get with the program...and the program is standing behind your president/country and the troops that volunteered to do whatever is necessary to defend our freedom and safety, and thats including the ultimate sacrifice.not one person who joins the military is clueless to the fact that they could lose thier life in combat.95% of military ppl LIVE for the chance to be in a combat situation...so dont feel sorry for them..they are doing what they dreamed about and volunteered for....send them some cookies and a hustler if you really care for them.

as far as iraq...this is something that should have been done in 91'..so dont whine and cry about it ...we are just finishing a job that was started by the 1st bush (who had his hands tied behind his back by the UN )and that slick willy didnt have the bawls to finish.yes baby george is here to kick butt and take names..get used to it ...if you cant...please find someone esle to run against bush instead of howard dean lol...can you say "landslide victory" boys and girls?lol

as far as some of the "facts" stated in this thread...what a crock of conspiracy theorist/liberal BS....do you actually believe all that stuff? lol..if so i have a private 1 acre striper pond loaded with 40"+ers to sell you...oh yea and the menhaden are running in it!(fishing plug)

thank your lucky stars you have a president who is standing up to the people that want to kill you and your family ANYWAY they can and not some pacifist idiot who preaches peace, love and hair grease while your friendly neighborhood terrorist is plotting to blow up your city and everything you hold dear.

to quote Sammy Kershaw..."you can talk about anything..cept politics..religion and herrrrr" lol....happy holidays people, liberals and democrats!.;)
 

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AMEN Brother, AMEN !!!!
 

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As a country...the US has been thrown so many curve balls under the current leadership til it's ridiculous. With the ealier focus (distraction) on (due to) the war........not much focus was put on the people as a whole as I can remember. Too much "leadership" attention was focused on finishing the job his father couldn't. (Sending a boy to do a man's job? The jury is still out on that one.) Then there entered the ball right outta left field. Things happened and decisions were made on the "homefront" so fast til no one knew what had hit em til it was too late. Come to think of it.......the people as a whole are always to late. Just never enough time given it seems for all to express that opinions where political decisions are concerned. Coincidence?
A leadership that's definitely not for the people ( all groups of the US population that is) but by the people (politicians who are capable of sucking a gallon of "anything" up their snouts).
Drunken politics?.........Always the same ole dance with these political partners. Two steps forward for their party...........yet 3 steps back for the people who don't dance to their tune. Leaving the unfortunate always "one step" behind.

And for goodness sake........"Where in the world is the vice pres? Hasn't he gotten the word yet that it's now safe to come out of his bunker? Oh well.......hope he's in good spirits. Maybe I should have said, "into good spirits." Probably is if he's held up in a wine cellar somewhere keeping his snout well tuned. Who nose! He'll come up for air soon I'm sure. Don't need a crystal ball for that prediction. Campaigning time is right around the corner. Rallying around "his party's troops" is a must do. Miss that and I'm sure they'll do what they do best with those who no longer conform. Surely he won't risk "banishment". And besides all, where else can one make a few personal appearances, yet collect a wad to boot?

Kind of similar to the circus in that it comes to town only once in a while, yet the "elephants" are always billed as the main attraction. But you know what they say about that.....they're always trying to please their trainers because they know life is kinder if they go along with the program. One step out of line and they soon feel the wrath of the master's whip. Damn I love being a Democrat. My ancestors would be turning in their graves if I were not.

Don't attend the circus anymore. Why? Aside from the above reason..........after a few times I soon realized the overated participants were not worth their billing. I liked the side shows a lot better. The occassional donkey riding thru always seemed to get everyone's attention. Not as a distraction, but more as a change of pace. The little guy always left an impression. Going to the circus was getting to be like buying a lottery ticket. Taking a chance in hopes that "that one" turns out to have different results. Would love to be there to see one of those elephants crack under pressure. Don't want to be within slinging distance when the (she + it) starts flying though. Simplier to make a batch of popcorn, turn on the news, and let the show begin.

Prayers always to the troops so honorably serving "our" country. Prayers for continuing strength to their family and friends as well. Prayers for a quick end to the troop's presence in all the Middle East.
 

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Yeah, we are all blessed!

We are blessed in that in our past we have had leaders like Gee Dubya who have the guts to stand on their convictions and act with their personal sense of God and morality.......Otherwise, we wouldn't be sitting around on our butts, nice and comfy in our cozy houses talking like this on the internet.
 

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No Fish Caught Today. Counting Blessings Instead!

:) Christmas Greetings to Y'all!

As I read the opening of this thread, I, too, counted my blessings. My father, a career Marine, survived two combat tours in Korea and one in Viet Nam. I managed to get through the Viet Nam era relatively intact, minor disability, honorable discharge, draft status 4A. My sons, thankfully, did not have to serve. We will all be together for a hopefully joyful holiday while our military brothers are in a far away land performing their duties as assigned. May God bless them and keep them safe from harm. They are not involved in a needless task, IMHO. What they are doing is very necessary to the safety and security of our nation, regardless of what the folks in the press would have you think. I make this statement with conviction because in my heart I believe that it is true. By taking the fight to the enemy, we have kept him from doing his dirty deeds here on our turf.

Predictions: History will show...

That Bin Laden and Hussein as well as other terrorist factions were working in unison to promote terrorist acts here on mainland USA.

That President Bush leading America into all-out war on Hussein was as necessary as the war on Bin Laden to stifle or squash the organized efforts of terrorist cells planning additional terrorist acts in our country (freezing their stateside assets was an outstanding move).

That Hussein's WMD did indeed exist and were dismantled, hidden and/or shipped to sympathetic terrorist nations such as Syria (we may never find them or we may find only traces of them).

That despite the tragedy of American lives lost in this unpopular war, the American citizenry on the whole understood our need to be in the Middle East and supported our Commander in Chief as proven by his overwhelming reelection to a second term.

I say, "Bully for you, Mr. President."

:D JimiDaBeachBumm
(An Independent who votes the man, not the party.)
"Life's a beach!"
 

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Vote General Wesley Clark in '04!!!
 
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