demonfish, we met @ L.I. a couple weeks ago, can't make it today because I'm back on the M-F, 7-5 grind but keep me posted on any other practice/lesson sessons you're planning. I've owned a heaver for years, 11.5' Fenwick w/ a 7000 Ambassator but I've always been looking for tips to get the 8&bait out further.