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I joined this forum with intentions of reading and sharing fishing information on a mature level. It seems that a certain individual seems to get more pleasure in stirring the pot and launching personal attacks on other posters. This person, C. Ward from Rocky Mount, AKA, Dabig2na seems to have a good knowledge of fishing but can't seem to share it without throwing a few rocks in the process. It appears that he belongs to no less than a dozen other forums, don't see how he has time to fish, plus has a nice pic of himself on Myspace.

I also blame the Moderators for allowing all of the immature back and forth that goes on here, the posters of such should have been booted, myself included, long ago.

With this said, this is my last post, life is just too short for this.

God Bless and good luck to the genuine posters and fisherman.

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I joined this forum with intentions of reading and sharing fishing information on a mature level. It seems that a certain individual seems to get more pleasure in stirring the pot and launching personal attacks on other posters. This person, C. Ward from Rocky Mount, AKA, Dabig2na seems to have a good knowledge of fishing but can't seem to share it without throwing a few rocks in the process. It appears that he belongs to no less than a dozen other forums, don't see how he has time to fish, plus has a nice pic of himself on Myspace.

I also blame the Moderators for allowing all of the immature back and forth that goes on here, the posters of such should have been booted, myself included, long ago.

With this said, this is my last post, life is just too short for this.

God Bless and good luck to the genuine posters and fisherman.

Outta Here,
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It seems that when you and your Linkdin associate felt like stirring the pot, it was always the other fella that was the problem. If you stir a pot and it boils over who is to blame? The oil or the water?

Moderators are unpaid fellas who were originally in place because they had respect for the sport and former owner, why ask them for anything?

Some folks find links tacked onto every discussion extremely irritating, it kind of shuts a good storyline down. I never open links to sites that I did not initiate the search for..too many viruses and hackers about. That activity has increased tenfold in the short time I have been on this forum, as a result I do not feel the need to tell stories like I used to when I first joined.

There is a perception on the internet that some folks can ask any question no matter how inane and expect a perfect and polite response, as if you actually paid cash money and were deserving of what ever response you were seeking. It also is surprising when someone posts a question and the response is different from what they were expecting so they get assertive and combative.

If you had grown up fishing the Point and Piers when I did back in the 1980's and you were smart ass or disrespectful of those fishermen who came before you, there were only two remedies.

1. You had to go and find another place to fish as the negativity would be too much to take.

2. You toned your act down and was grateful that someone took the time to show you the correct way.

You and Tuna would probably get along if you fished together in reel life. It may take some time, but eventually most things moderate out.

It will take a book to detail the abuse from the real life bullies, fighters and drunks and dopers I went through trying to get a position as an OBX Drum and King Fisherman and secure the right to put my rod in whatever notch I chose, and not hear a bunch of grief from the locals who owned the piers, and believe me they did own the ends of the T or the tip of the Point. A couple fellas come to mind, with whom I felt my only recourse was felony battery with intent.

I just kept showing up at 4:00 AM at Rodanthe with my heavers over my shoulder and a five gallon bucket of tackle and a humble attitude. At some point the Redhead who was a TERROR when he was young took pity on the Tourist from Nags Head and opened up the book of secrets and shared them with me, and the rest of my antagonists either grew to like me or the at least kept silent. I was a TERROR too back when I was young and strong.

Anyway there are some world class fishermen on this site. Some all calm, some just were borne with a bit more adrenaline, kind of like the Bull Shark, why poke at one?
 

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Moderators are unpaid fellas who were originally in place because they had respect for the sport and former owner, why ask them for anything?
Well, since we have a new owner, and they only had respect for the former owner, and they won't do anything if you ask them, the new owner should either appoint new moderators or do away with them entirely and let the forum turn into Dodge City.

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Since I saw your last thread,and assume it is me you are speaking of: Moderators have to stay in the middle.. If you have been on here for any length of time you would have seen similar things going down with different players throughout the yrs I've been on this forum.. I have moderated a few different forums and guess that I would be one of the softer handed ones,rather than delete a post,edit it to tone it down if things got out of hand.. You see,there is going to be back and forth on here and any other forum.. So,if you don't think I'm doing my job by deleting post all over the place so be it.. Can be booted from moderator at any time and life will go on.... :)
 

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Well, since we have a new owner, and they only had respect for the former owner, and they won't do anything if you ask them, the new owner should either appoint new moderators or do away with them entirely and let the forum turn into Dodge City.

Tight Lines !
Translation: The mods should do everything Dave wants, when Dave wants, according to Dave's schedule and timeline, exactly the way Dave wants things handled.

Difficulty with Dave's Translation: The mods do not live here 24-7 and cannot see everything.

The mods deal with things the best we can. I don't know what you're talking about not doing anything (and you don't either). I've zapped numerous posts and threads containing personal attacks aimed at you recently.

Personally, I'm in favor of every post containing a link to require mod approval. I would not approve a link to the damn Yellow Pages. Bet the farm on that.

And, boy, it sure is a good thing that Witler either posted from an unresolved host name or from Verizon, huh?:rolleyes:

The fact that he found out that info on 2na sounds a lot like stalking. It's creepy.

Edit: +1, DD
 

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i'm tired of links. i know how to use google. main reason i come here is to learn from people like river, JAM, garbo, drumdum, charlie2, pier-legend/loner, wayne in sc (can't remember his username), plus many others over the years, the list can go on and on. big2na has good information, you guys would be wise to pay attention.
 

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Well put Garbo.

I'm with DD as well, there is some give and take and rattling of cages at times. Freedom of speech, let it ride, and then things usually work themselves out. Personal attacks are dealt with, seen it and done it here for many years.
Users of forums such as this are usually adults, and they should be keenly aware that disagreements and rough banter occurs. But, just because someone disagrees with you or doesn't like what you post, it doesn't necessarily constitute a personal attack.
And the mods certainly don't need daily notifications of when adult men have gotten their feelings hurt on a fishing bulletin board. At that point, one might consider a different playground.
 

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Dont let the door hit ya on the way out.
Pretty sure 2na voices the opinions of a majority of the board when it comes to the never ending link assault by Dave. When you actually post a link to the yellow pages it hits assnine level.
Part of me thinks you guys do this just to see what kind of reaction you get. Then we you get your butt handed to you, you start crying that you were just trying to help. Its absurd.

PS: not sure who C. Ward is but its not 2na
 

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Translation: The mods should do everything Dave wants, when Dave wants, according to Dave's schedule and timeline, exactly the way Dave wants things handled.

Difficulty with Dave's Translation: The mods do not live here 24-7 and cannot see everything.

The mods deal with things the best we can. I don't know what you're talking about not doing anything (and you don't either). I've zapped numerous posts and threads containing personal attacks aimed at you recently.
Real Translation : Despite numerous reports and complaints by more than one person on P&S, nothing has specifically been done regarding those who are posting those personal attacks. Merely removing the offensive posts, after the fact, while allowing the responsible parties to continue posting new attacks, unabated, is the problem.

Easing the "Difficulty" : Posts are being reported, so whatever Moderator signs on is not unaware of the problem, yet the attacks continue, at will.

My "anything" remark was in response to Garbo's post which read in part, "Moderators are unpaid fellas who were originally in place because they had respect for the sport and former owner, why ask them for anything?" . . . I quoted him specifically in my previous post.

I publicly attack no one . . .

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People should post on sites they like and avoid sites they don't. But feeling the need to make some big show of your departure is just narcissism. I always worried far more about good posters who just quit showing up--that's a far more powerful signal that a correction is needed.

People are moderators on here because they like talking surf fishing. Dealing with a handful of people acting like toddlers is the least fun part of the job, and no matter what you do it will tick someone off: let them go on and on and people will say you're allowing trolls to ruin the forum. Drop a ban and people say you're a tyrant. The guys who are mods now are the most level-headed, impartial people I know. It's why they're great at balancing out free speech with bouncing people who add nothing. But unless VS asks me to cease moderating I will not be replacing any of the moderators. They're good at what they do.
 

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People are moderators on here because they like talking surf fishing. Dealing with a handful of people acting like toddlers is the least fun part of the job, and no matter what you do it will tick someone off: let them go on and on and people will say you're allowing trolls to ruin the forum. Drop a ban and people say you're a tyrant. The guys who are mods now are the most level-headed, impartial people I know. It's why they're great at balancing out free speech with bouncing people who add nothing. But unless VS asks me to cease moderating I will not be replacing any of the moderators. They're good at what they do.
So, then, to the point . . . What about those who continue to post attacks, at will ?
 

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I belong to more than 20 forums, I do not know cw, don't think I want to.
You do not hafta open a link posted here, yet it still bothers you
everyone has different areas of expertice, I post little about fishing the suds cause I know little, I know more about some things than 95% of the membership, I also try to help, anyone who contributes to the best of their ability should not be ridiculed, but yet here they are and nobody does nothing. if the only ones who can answer questions is a select few it is not a forum. 2na has called me out on posts about rifles and shooting, I can guarantee you I have forgotten more about it than he knows.
not trying to be an ass, but there is room for everyone, if 2na hates dave so much put him on ignore, that way 2na doesn't see the post, and dave can contribute the best he can and there are no flame wars, what say yee?
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So, then, to the point . . . What about those who continue to post attacks, at will ?
It's a question of degree. You and some of the others keep getting into fights with have been given temporary suspensions in the hopes that it would stop. And in fairness there have been times you've been attacked, but you've also baited people into it on more than one occasion. And yes, if the same person or people keep mysteriously ending up in the middle of drama and fights over and over then bans will be the only option left. I just hate doing it: there have probably been fewer than 100 people banned on here in 17 years.

And js is right--I wish some of you would just put people you don't like on ignore.
 
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