I agree about braid other than my spinning reel for jerk jigging off a pier or jetty or throwing metal on a spinner maybe, although i currently have 14lb sakuma with a bite leader on my spinner for throwing 1-4 metals etc. I have been very pleased with 16lb pro spec chrome blaze orange on my conventional reels. However I am not paying the price for it anymore until it comes way back down to earth if ever. I have some Sufix Superior Neon Fire waiting when I re-spool.I would have suggested 16 lb but Teachs was out, I was in there the other day lookin for it, he may have to go up the beach to get it ... best line ever ... I HATE BRAID !