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Not quite submersible, but in one of the earlier videos posted, it fords through water at two feet depth. The doors are triple sealed and not a drop gets in.

Yep, it does fly! What a deal! But, unlike regular aircraft, there's no provision for steering once airborne. It was a turn I was previously taking fast from the other direction many times with a turn at the bottom of an incline, so that was a compression and you could feel the G forces and it takes the turn forcefully and well. The other way is dangerous going fast, so I won't combine a rise with a necessary turn anymore. It launches it into the air!

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Next step in preparation for my first surf fishing vacation is to find a surf fishing guide who can help me select the coast, the season, the location, the targeted species and coach me to be proficient at surf casting. Recommendations are invited.

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Next step in preparation for my first surf fishing vacation is to find a surf fishing guide who can help me select the coast, the season, the location, the targeted species and coach me to be proficient at surf casting. Recommendations are invited.

Ronald :)
I know a guy but he ain't gonna be cheap! I'm not sure if he'd want to be seen in a Porsche Cayenne with big sand tires....
Probaly looking at 200.00 a day plus all expenses... Casting lessons will be extra
 

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I know a guy but he ain't gonna be cheap! I'm not sure if he'd want to be seen in a Porsche Cayenne with big sand tires....
Probaly looking at 200.00 a day plus all expenses... Casting lessons will be extra
I am thinking about getting a Cayenne Turbo, likely a 2004-2008 model, they seem to in the $9000-$17,000 range. Certainly not a newer $$$ model. Need to do more research to find out what components typically wear out and when. Seems like if you take it to a Porsche Dealership for major repair, the costs are significant.

Mostly will use it going from 0-50 MPH in between stoplights on the bypass road and for doing 25 MPH on the Beach Road and hauling a few 2 piece heavers to the Point, during times of the year when Monster Trucks are not digging 2 foot ruts everywhere they can spin their tires.

Long time ago before it was necessary for beach drivers to have F350's with 600 HP Turbocharged Diesel Engine and 9 inch lifts with 38" tires, some folks on the OBX used 2 wheel drive cars to get around on the beach. Pretty sure these cars had full-time locked differentials in the rear, as this was before Posi-Traction hit the streets.

Would like to keep the Cayenne in Stealth mode as in no roof rack and no cooler rack, something that has all the appearance of a Tourist who just discovered the OBX and bought a beach driving pass on a whim. Looks kind of like a Honda Pilot but with 500 HP which one needs at times:) Likely it will be no difference on the beach from my Grand Cherokee.

If the rear differential is locked, and you are aired down low, it should be okay....as long as you do not try dicey spots like the Narrows on a Holiday Weekend.
 

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Ronald,

Don't take this the abuse in a bad way. Just because you don't have a 78 Ford F150 4x4 that you can throw a cat threw the holes rusted in the box does not mean you don't have a vehicle that will go through the sand.
I remember back in the old days. I was on the south point at Ocracoke 1984 with my little 1980 Chevy Luv 4x4 and I thought I ruled the sand.

Then I heard this weird engine sound and it was a Renault Le Car two wheel drive front wheel drive car with 4 long haired NC beach monkeys in it. I was a Marine stationed at Cherry Point and back in the early 80s it was either you had short hair or you were not in the military.

They drove on by like they had done this a hundred times.

The big thing is weight on the beach. Air your tires down and you have a bigger foot print and that means less weight per square inch. That Chevy Luv only weighed 1800 lbs with a screaming 1800 cc engine with 85 hp.

Make it so all 4 wheels have power going to them and you have a beach buggy.

You live a crap long way from the beach and feeding the tank on even a diesel 4x4 is 10-15 mpg. High cost 60K + and high weight Need even bigger tires.

You may have a cheaper ride that does better in sand.

Enjoy fishing and if you do get stuck prepare for lots of on lookers and keep a sense of humor. Everybody gets stuck sometime.

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Thanks, Dan!

What can anyone really judge about a person by an automobile?

I've met many people who at first sight of one facet of my life will make a foolish comment like I'm one of those. I'm quite diverse.

The vehicle to me is just a tool and as tools go, it's good to have some variety to be able to use the proper tool. My other vehicle actually is that 1978 Ford though a 1 ton and only two wheel drive. It's excellent for hauling machinery and moving things. It would be odd to compare my Porsche to that, as from all of it's brother and sister Porsches on the road, it's thought of as a highway car and not an off road vehicle. But, it's an oddity in that it is a truck. I went to AutoZone to buy Mobil 1 oil and a filter for it and Cayenne didn't come up under Porsche cars. Surprisingly, just below that was "Porsche Truck." Yep, they call it a truck! It looks like a car. But, each tire on mine is rated at 2800 pound load capacity and the payload capacity is a self-leveling 3/4 tons! That's more than the truck or Jeep Hunter1 recommended for me.

Looking at the technical details, the front suspension is huge and heavy (I've picked up the forged high strength steel components and they are heavy!) and built to take massive power to hit hard impacts of rough off road and it needs the heavy rating on the tires to withstand those impacts.

Contrast the "rock crawlers" of that sport which is popular here in Utah and particularly in Moab, Utah where they take it to extremes where it is a slow sport of great suspension articulation, but it is slow and actually "crawling."

Mine has both. It has gear motor compensated torsion to prevent body roll on the track, yet it has release at the touch of a button that allows full independent extreme articulation of wheels.

I've been hitting bumps hard and faster than the crawlers would dare or they would damage equipment. A friend was a rock crawler. He was a welder and fabricator and proud of his Jeep because over the many years and component failures, he replaced every failed part with redesigned parts of his own making and specialty aftermarket endurance parts to finally give it reliability.

In sharp contrast, this Porsche has mostly all of the potential for failures designed out by superior engineering and materials. It's trailer hauling capacity is 7,716 pounds which is good for us fishermen as I posted the article from Boating magazine in my first post on this topic here:

https://www.boatingmag.com/luxury-towing-porsche-cayenne-turbo-s

With those specifications, is it a truck?

Hunter1 suggests a truck or a Jeep for me. This video compares Jeep to my choice:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJjpLWQdixo

But, that video is just words and specifications that theoretically means it should perform well. But, what counts in the real world is proof. Can it hold up to take the harshness of racing and beat all of the competition?

In this video lessor versions of my "Honey Badger Don't Care" wins first, second and third place in an interestingly grueling endurance rally that tests abilities and toughness on multiple terrains over great distance. Though it equally seems to be a test of the skills of drivers, it's interesting that this Porsche "truck" was a most popular choice.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4TA_d6F3ww

Like I said: "It's a tool to me." But, it sure is a waste for those who use quality capable vehicles as driveway adornments for status. Garboman and I can benefit from those people not stressing them and selling them used and in excellent condition for a bargain price and then use them for what they are really designed to accomplish. That doesn't make us status seekers. It makes us fun and adventure seekers. That's what surf fishing will be to me. This "truck" is just a tool to make my surf fishing fun adventures instead of nightmares and will actually save money over expensive troubles that hold us back from surf fishing. As stated in the title I chose for this topic, it is "My Surf Fishing Equipment" though it's proven worthy for off-roading fun and surf fishing and even economical if you consider it's traction in winter driving conditions and extra control and capabilities to better avoid collisions with the plethora of bad drivers, distracted drivers, drunk drivers and poorly maintained vehicles and even just random chance of things going wrong in routine driving. Besides, avoiding collisions is not just an economic consideration as lives are precious and mangled bodies in pain is also best avoid. Other than that, it's a pleasure to drive and especially since I will "vote with my dollars" by not giving the airlines my money to not support an industry that has government getting the Sheeple to accept as routine author authoritarian intrusiveness and abuse.

Back to who am I by looking at a vehicle. Consider why I chose this vehicle rather than a stereotype of owners. What does it mean that I also drive that 1978 van with holes not yet big enough for a cat to get though?

Garboman would be making a good choice, if he buys a used one of these "Porsche Trucks" carefully. The downside could be the high cost for parts and service, but I've been a mechanic of Ford and Porsche and can do the work myself. Interestingly, from a preparedness prospective, those two manufacturers stand apart from the rest in that both own their own electromagnetic pulse testing facilities.

Today, we finally got some winter with 5 inches of snow. I was driving in it and it lives up to the nickname I gave it: "Honey Badger Don't Care."

Of course, additional credit goes to Blizzak tires which are optomised for freezing temperatures and ice and snow.

Regarding tire optimization, interestingly, in the videos I posted of it preforming well in sand dunes and doing what pickup trucks can't, the narration states they are running way less than optimal tires: "... after letting about half the air out of street tires ..." With the power and traction control it has, the performance will be far greater wen combined with my new sand tires I have already mounted on a third set of wheels. They are not only very wide, but have a special soft sidewall design to tolerate the great flexing of very low air pressure without fatigue damage to have a huge flat footprint that distributes the weight evenly over a lot more square inches to float on top of the loose sand and not be sinking in making ruts that waste power to be constantly climbing out from digging in.

Ronald :)
 

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Just a little advice, don't pickup strange kids in your vehicle, you'll get put on a list.
This is excellent advice, actually the best on this thread, no sense spending time on a misunderstanding handing out soap to Bubba and his Crew in the Showers at Utah State.

For some reason this thread made me think back to my childhood growing up in what is now termed Silicon Valley in the 1950's. Back then my normal attire was a striped tee shirt, a hooded cotton sweatshirt for when it was cold and Levis. This is still my attire when I am out of the office, with the exception that stripes are no longer in style and the sweatshirts now come from China and the Company that at one time manufactured most of the sweatshirts in the US in Martinsville Virginia is now out of business.

I was a swimmer beginning at age 4 during my time in Palo Alto, when I was perhaps 5 or 6 years old when my Mother enrolled me in a Gymnastics class, which included a Trampoline. My first day at the Gym, bouncing happily away on the trampoline I soon found my self beset upon and incessantly ridiculed by two of my classmates for wearing a swimsuit to class instead of proper gym shorts. For what ever reason that day I was so ashamed of my swimsuit, and being laughed at by my peers that for many years I always took great pains to wear the proper clothes, to say the proper things, to fit in. To be part of the Group, essentially I became a follower that day at the YMCA.

Fast forward 50 plus years and I find myself in a different position in life, I no longer care so much what the others think, especially when it comes to fishing. As long as I can competitively fish (Drum) then I will trudge on, as soon as I am unable to fish at a high level (which may be not that many more years in my future) I will quit and take up Pompano fishing with Fleas or become a Spec Specialist, with Gulp and Mirrolures.

Where am I going with this?:confused:

In forty years of Driving OBX beaches I have never seen a Cayenne Turbo on the beach, likely no one commenting on this thread has, for the most part Porsche Cayenne Turbos spend their days on the highway, resting in temp controlled garages or going to the Mall, being piloted by High-End Soccer Moms, or Salesmen needing to impress Clients with their great wealth.

Certainly not the equipment a properly outfitted Beach Person would choose or be seen in, which is why they take the stance that Turbos with locking rear and mid differentials and 20 inch low profile tires will not work on the perilous beaches of the OBX.

To Mr. Levine if you come to the OBX, keep out of wet brown gravel by the water's edge on an incoming tide and you will do just fine.....
 

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... I no longer care so much what the others think, especially when it comes to fishing. As long as I can competitively fish (Drum) ...
Great to have learned that! Most people will never learn it and it becomes ingrained into their self-limiting personalities. They think they can see other peoples problems when the reality is they can't even see their own problem.

I do what works well.

I'm a survivalist and very politically active. There's lots of peer pressure in the battle for our gun rights. Many back down from it upon being called a name like this one that is so successful: "Ooooooooooooow a Tin Foil Hat Wearing Conspiracy Theorist."

They're weak people. Both the ones who use that and the ones who back down because of it.

I do what works on the job, too. I design and build things (that work well the first time), but more on previous jobs I've repaired things that others failed. Particularly, in automotive repair which I did briefly, it was surprising that lifelong mechanics would replace the most common part that fails first and then go down the list, based on experience, replacing more parts until it works. The reality is it was only the last part they replaced that it really needed, but the customer is also charged for time and labor for all the previous parts that didn't solve the problem. In sharp contrast, I replaced only the part that was the problem and did that as the only thing I did and the customer doesn't get charged for all of those trial and errors that didn't work because I'm willing to look at what works and what doesn't as opposed to what's most commonly wrong though that works most of the time. Yep, the others were mechanics with a lifetime of experience and I was much newer at it, but I had insights and advantages from being a machinist and an electronic designer with logic and diagnostic skills.

I design and build automated equipment for industry and military, so I've learned to appreciate good design when I see it. There is a lot of getting by with less quality in the automotive industry such that high quality that is reduced in cost by being used is a better value in function, performance and reliability and particularly for those who do their own repair and maintenance and don't need that new car warrantee.

Now I'm about to do something I've never done before -- surf fishing. IF I lived on a coast to be able to do it often, I would have the advantages of trial and error and eventually gain some good knowledge and skills. But, I appreciate the differences between what's common and what can be learned from a guide and distance casting coach.

I take it seriously. It's not just a pastime to me. Surf fishing skills are valuable preparedness for the harsh times to come particularly since my preparedness style will be sea based mobility by sailboat. I have many well developed fishing skills including deep sea fishing and it is fitting to include surf fishing and be able to do it well which is why there are some oddities like seeking a guide, choosing sturdy equipment that can handle the occasional big fish and have a reliable life expectancy and picking surf fishing when I'm in Utah.

In conclusion, I go with what works and caring what others think is generally foolishness in contrast to what works. Half of our voting population is trying to vote away what worked and has been tested and proven and has given us unprecedented prosperity and strength that no nation has the might to take it away by force yet these fools want to vote it away. They are weak and bend to the peer pressure and ridicule of their groups to have faith and beliefs in things that don't exist, have never existed and can not exist.

It gets personal, ridicule and peer pressure regarding choice of my surf fishing vehicle, but actually works in my favor because I enjoy fishing with others who are very good fishermen and learning from them and it's best to fish with people you like where friendships can be created, so I've been using the ridicule to sneak in the otherwise off topic subject of me, my nature, my politics, what motivates me. That way, as I participate here and learn from reading the posts of the fine people here, I will also learn those I might most enjoy fishing with enough to drive a couple thousand miles or more to get there. I've watched the invitations to social get togethers and, other than distance, would want to come and meet the people of the posts I've been reading. My friendship is the most valuable thing I have to give, so using this opportunity to be known a little better that oddly came out of the choice of a car serves to facilitate us finding out who to fish with which is an important aspect of surf fishing enjoyment.

Reference 1: The book: "The Five Thousand Year Leap."

Reference 2: See the decal I put on the back of my traction on loose beach sand vehicle that works over and over again with race tested and proven winning performance and reliability in the most extreme of challenges.

Reference 3: Quote from the movie Cobra:
"Marion Cobretti.
Is that really your name?
Gonzales talks too much, doesn't he?
It's not so bad.
It's kind of tough growing up with.
-I like it.
-Do you?
I always wanted to have
a tougher one myself.
You know, a little harder name.
Like what?
Alice."
Read more: https://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/movie_script.php?movie=cobra

Ronald :)
 

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If your repair guy is throwing parts, you have a parts changer
Exactly! It's more common than most people would think.

The lifelong experienced mechanics were playing a trick on me after deciding I was just lucky in asking for just the exact part that was needed even though it wasn't a likely part to be needed. I came back in asking for a next job. They laughed saying I gave up. One said he hears a car running out there. Another goes to the window and looks both ways and says there's no car out there. I said, sure there is -- the one right in front of you -- the one you assigned for me to repair. They all argued with each other: ... well something is running out there ... can't be that car -- it needs a new computer to run and they are backordered from the factory and none are available for weeks! Finally, one goes outside, comes back in and reports it is that car that's running. No one believes it and each take a turn to go out to see for themselves. Each time believing they are just pranking as that car "can't" be running. Well at least not until each saw for themselves. Finally, they asked me how I got a replacement computer. I pulled out of my pocket a burnt transistor and said that was the problem with a computer output, so I replaced it with a much more stout transistor and said it will never have that problem again. One exclaimed: "Who replaces transistors!" I said: I do.

Ronald :)
 

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I'm just waning to Kronos when he is going to be three with his 17 ft surf rod sitting in his laser cut titanium surf spikes. Waiting for that prized citation pompano to give it a whirl. The sand itired Porche Cayenne is just a bonus. One last thing Ronald
You are not applowed to drive in the dunes. The speed limit is 20 mph, so I'm not sure when the turbo is gonna kick in during your rides on the beachs
 

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DaBig2na, Great point!

The special tires for sand will mean it's on the surface of the sand and not sinking in and not making ruts, so it's going to use even less power and likely not even go into the lower gears. That's in contrast to other vehicles using a lot of power to constantly climb up as they push the loose sand down and aside. What I really get from this particular powerful version are the best of the off road options that are available for it and it has the best of them which gives it the traction control to perform well in sand and more. But, you're correct that the power will not be needed unless necessary to get away from the mythological Greek god Cronos jealous of it's power. Other than that, what use is that power on the beach except for pulling out all of the stuck Jeeps that figure they should be able to follow in places that only the "Honey Badger Don't Care" can go without sinking in and getting stuck :D

Ronald :)

Reference:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8jgLDK7HU4

https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/Cronus
 
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