Thanks again for all the info. I went the ebay route and picked up two new reels for what I would have paid for one. I got a penn jarvis walker 500 for 15.50, it retails at james tackle online for 23. and I picked up a tica sh 7000 for 29. and that retails online for 80., plus I got extras with it that wouldn't come with the 80. price tag. One word of advice when bidding on ebay items. Wait till the last minute of the auction to bid or you'll have jacked the price up too early and someone would outbid you. We ran into this when bidding on a new tag heuer watch this fall. We would type in our max bid we would go upto and then at the very end someone would over bid us. Type in you max at the very end and odds are you will get it for alot less.