for the king riggers. I know most of you guys use that type setup off of a pier but has anyone tried it off of the surf? Doesn't sound like a bad idea. I have 4 ft sand spikes with 12 ft rods and would love to get a nice live spot or bunker or eel even out there as far as I could using this method. I know it wouldn't get the bait out as far but it I think I might try it next time at AI.