in a kayak today. My pastor has two and had me meet him in rural Chesapeake and we kayaked for about 2 hours on the Northwest River. Leaves changing made the place beautiful (otherwise it's a swamp). I was in a wilderness system pamlico 14. Pretty roomy. Don't know I'd choose that for fishing, but for just being in one for the first time it was nice. Now I see why folks enjoy it so much.