Thanks for all your info,. Yeah we are here and today is our last day to fish. I'm heading out in a few to try the casting technique you posted. I think I'm already doing this but the weight wasn't that far down. So we shall see what happens. I was just posting to see if my surf combos would even hold up to something big or if it was a waste of time. I'll probably upgrade some for next year. Any suggestions on reels that don't break the bank?