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    The democratic party is what it is and it will never change, to many misguided young people fill its roster and believe they are helping by giving everything for free.. I guess they have no idea their is no such thing.. The republican party desperately needs overhauling and if they want to rise from the ashes they better get busy.. Both parties have failed the american people and its time for a change but I don't see it coming from the third party. Change needs to sweep across America but as long as Republicans set back and do nothing and the Democrats buy their votes with free living nothing is going to change but only get worse. Mine and your way of life is in jeopardy, let someone like Hillary run the country and our way of life is over. You can forget casting a line from the beach or owning a gun.. You will work to support the ones that won't... The Bum is just the beginning or a stepping stone for something much worse

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    It would be great to find a person that would take the government by the balls and make changes .. Term Limits, Welfare, Prisons, The Economy, Close The Boarders, Make The US Self Efficient When It Comes To Fuel, Bring Back Industry and so on but you will never see that.. Someone like that isn't wanted in a position of power and that's why carrier politicians need to be removed .. To many of them don't have what's best for America at hand and only worry about who the highest bidder is.. Beach Access is a prime example ! If we had funds like Audubon and Defenders Of Wildlife we wouldn't be marching on closed gates

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    Well said Leadchuncker!!!

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    And for those of you who believe that the insurance companies are trying to rip you off - I'm pretty sure they didn't want into this deal. You see your rates increase because now your carriers have to cover even the sickest of the sickest no matter what, but we're all going to have to pay for that, hence the increase in premium. Insurance companies operate on a principle of adverse selection. It has to do with people who have a greater-than-average exposure to loss generally wanting insurance more than those who have relatively little exposure to do so. Unfortunately the people with pre-existing conditions have a higher exposure to loss; therefor you will have to now have more money to fund the increase in claims that will be caused, not only by people with pre-existing conditions, but people who may not have been buying healthcare prior to Obamacare. There is going to be no medical underwriting either, so the actuaries at the companies have nothing to base their rates on either. Bottom line is that the insurance companies need to raise their rates since they're going to be paying more (and more high paying) claims than ever before. Please don't get me wrong, I am a compassionate person and I sincerely feel for those with pre-existing conditions, but the government forcing companies to accept this is wrong. Feels a little bit socialist to me.
    Just wait till the government stays shut down a little longer and more and more people aren't getting paid and people get tired, hungry and default on their loans. Hell, I even asked my son the other day when his field trip to D.C. was this month. Boy, didn't I feel like an idiot when I turned around and my next sentence to my 10 year old was..."Never mind, I forgot the government's shut down". God forbid the US default on it's loans. I'm no genius when it comes to this, but I have seen what happens when other countries have defaulted on loans and it ain't pretty

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    Coming on time for us to start falling off the grid...Let um default.....

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    Didn't mean to say that insurance companies operated on the principal of adverse selection. They try to stay away from it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil red jeep View Post
    "Having the supreme court rubber stamp Obamacare " Do you realize how much anger Chief Justice Roberts caused when he cast the deciding vote FOR AHCA and wrote the decision? Remember, he was appointed by G.W.Bush to the court but while waiting for confirmation, Reinquist took a dirt nap and Roberts got moved to the head of the line. "QE/bailouts by the Fed," When did that start? Pennsylvania Central Railroad (1970s), could argue Homeowners Loan Corporation New Deal"spying on US citizens," When did THAT start? Espionage Act (1917) "undeclared wars" When did that start? Quasi-War with France, 1798-1800 "controlling education via "common core" requirements," Catching on to the theme here? When did that start? The common answer to all is the Bush administration!
    I give you the last one with Bushy's NCLB nonsense, but theoretically that was part of LBJ's War on Poverty.
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    Other then the national parks and forest being closed can you tell that the government isn't working ? I can't .. Life goes on with or without them and from what I can see we don't need them.. Yes our debts to others may default but their is no since in worrying about that seeing how our country is at a all time low..

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    Y'all are not gonna win.....AJ and Bill you just as well pull up a chair...

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    High insurance rates are because of doctors in general... $5.00 for a aspirin, several thousand for a overnight stay... Went to the doctor one time for a physical.. He wrote out the bill then asked what my insurance was, when I told him I didn't have any he tore up that bill and wrote another for half the price... Now figure in having to give free insurance to those that are living off the tax payers, kids having kids and inmates ....

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    Man, I'll bet you I heard twenty people today throwing that word "socialism"/"socialist" around. When I ask them to define it outside the banter of political dialogue BS in 21st century America and they can't and I just roll my eyes and walk away, I get called a smart a$$, of course. Marx was dead wrong, and a "mixed economy" does not involve villains or the destruction of capitalism. People need to get beyond those facts and move on. It makes my a$$ tired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMike View Post
    Y'all are not gonna win.....AJ and Bill you just as well pull up a chair...
    Your right ... All I can say is if you support the BUM, Bumcare, and Bum party your a damn fool.. You can kiss everything you have worked for over the years goodby, guns goodby, the constitution goodby and your way of life goodby....

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeadChuncker View Post
    High insurance rates are because of doctors in general... $5.00 for a aspirin, several thousand for a overnight stay... Went to the doctor one time for a physical.. He wrote out the bill then asked what my insurance was, when I told him I didn't have any he tore up that bill and wrote another for half the price... Now figure in having to give free insurance to those that are living off the tax payers, kids having kids and inmates ....
    I have heard stories about people going to the ER and saying they'll pay in cash and the bill being much less. That needs to be stopped. Dude, when I was there about two weeks ago at the ER with my wife when they were thinking about a readmit, people were coming into the ER (this is at 4PM when the Urgent Care place is still open) for bee stings and them telling the lady working the desk they are not allergic to bees. This was like three people. Not kidding. This cost gets passed on to everyone else.

    One of the hospitals for my wife's illness bill was 432K, btw. In the event of something major like that, insurance is a necessity. People have to have it. It chaps me big time that these politicians want to play politics with this issue. Ticks me right off...

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    What I encountered happens all the time .. I agree that its wrong and something needs to be done about it but Bumcare isn't it.. You know if its good enough for us but not the trolls in washington, its no good !

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    Isn't it funny the only people suffering from this "shutdown" are private citizens and/or tourists.........The furloughed gov employees are on "paid vacation", and will not miss a thing when they go back to work and receive back pay. Apparantly there is no one to work at National Parks(hence their closure); however, there are plenty on staff to keep private citizens out, block off parking lots, remove faucet handles, etc. Both parties would like nothing more than to make this a burden on the public(which they have). That way we can all blame the opposing party for it and maybe someone will gain a political advantage... Just more political theatrics that we are forced to buy a ticket to watch. Down right sickening. And I don't even wanna hear about Bush or Obama, neither would p|ss on us if we were all smack dab in the middle of paymasters smoker wrapped in bacon.....They are all out for their own agendas, affiliations, and kickbacks.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by BubbaHoTep View Post
    I give you the last one with Bushy's NCLB nonsense, but theoretically that was part of LBJ's War on Poverty.
    To be clear, I was actually quoting wolfgang and where he was implying those events having been started since 2008. No doubt it's been going on for much longer than we know but I was referencing our recent history.

    LC, those who are getting free insurance are the ones going to emergency rooms now for everything that ails them because since they have no real insurance, they know hospitals can't refuse treatment, even if they know they won't get paid. They (hospitals) eventually get paid alright, by jacking those prices up for aspirin and services etc., because its not like they can keep their doors open by not getting paid, so the bill goes to those of us with insurance in the form of higher prices charged to our insurance companies. And yep, it sucks, but it happens all the time. In theory, now if they have insurance, and have to pay to have it, our hospital bills shouldn't reflect the price increases caused by those with no insurance. Blloyd is right on the money about the costs being higher because of pre-existing conditions.

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    One of this season's last episodes of "Deadliest Catch" featured a forum with several of the captains gathered together. From a live feed, NY Gov. Andrew Cuomo compared himself to Capt. Sig Hansen, in that "they both decided to get into their father's business". Many, double digit term, elected officials and those elected through familial ties now view public office as a money making career instead of civic duty. George Washington refused an offer of a life term for his presidency because he wanted as many citizens as possible to experience public office so that everyone could understand how their government was supposed to work and prevent the sort of "monopoly" that only feigns to be working for us. An organized Public Referendum is all we need to put term limits on a ballot and that can be at any level, municipal, state or national.

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    Cute paragraph, but where does that leave a man that pays in cash and pays in full......... Oh yeah, It leaves him paying a fine to cover someone elses bill as well as his own....

    Lovely scenario for me.

    And i'll send you my credit score if you'd like proof.


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    Quote Originally Posted by WNCRick View Post
    Cute paragraph, but where does that leave a man that pays in cash and pays in full......... Oh yeah, It leaves him paying a fine to cover someone elses bill as well as his own....

    Lovely scenario for me.

    And i'll send you my credit score if you'd like proof.

    I understand you being mad. It makes perfectly good sense. The prices people pay for health care is crazy, especially out of pocket for a procedure. I recently had a change in companies my insurance company uses for mail order prescriptions. When I questioned how much I was charged for an acid reflux med on a 90 day order, the lady said I should be glad I wasn't paying cash because it would be $1190.00 for a 90 day supply! That's over $13.00 per pill. No one ever expects to have to pay that kind of money for meds, and there in lies part of the reasoning for the Obamacare, and that is to see that persons have prescription coverage to try to survive.

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    Then why are he and the other members of the government exempt? Are they better than us? Why shouldn't they have to use the same health plan as he's FORCING on us??

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    Quote Originally Posted by tomsurles View Post
    Then why are he and the other members of the government exempt? Are they better than us? Why shouldn't they have to use the same health plan as he's FORCING on us??
    I agree 100%! They should all have the same health care we do. Even before Obamacare the politicians had healthcare for life even by serving one term! What a scam! Then theres the 27th Amendment that says they have to be paid regardless of a govt shut down! WTF? They are not doing their jobs, and yet they MUST be paid? We could start with repealing the 27th Amendment, that would motivate them a little more I would hope!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil red jeep View Post
    I understand you being mad. It makes perfectly good sense. The prices people pay for health care is crazy, especially out of pocket for a procedure. I recently had a change in companies my insurance company uses for mail order prescriptions. When I questioned how much I was charged for an acid reflux med on a 90 day order, the lady said I should be glad I wasn't paying cash because it would be $1190.00 for a 90 day supply! That's over $13.00 per pill. No one ever expects to have to pay that kind of money for meds, and there in lies part of the reasoning for the Obamacare, and that is to see that persons have prescription coverage to try to survive.
    I've got another good one along those lines. So back in late June, the doctor suggested my wife come off the warfarin and try something else. He wanted to keep her on a blood thinner for about six months to be sure the clot that had formed in her lungs in May would be gone. So he says with this other drug (starts with an X) you don't have to go in for routine blood tests (like that other drug I've seen advertised on TV lately), and the doc knew our new out of pocket business would start on July 1. Anyway, I say sure, sounds good and take the script down to the pharmacy. I go back to pick it up and they say like $342 (30-day supply) because my insurance doesn't cover it. Then the COOL GUY pharmacist says man that is just not right. Go over there and sit down for a few minutes and let me look for something. He motions me back to the counter in like five minutes and says he found this discount card this manufacturing company sent out. He had already called the phone number for me, given them my info, got me an ID number, run it through the computer, and says is ten bucks a month for up to twelve months better? I owe him big time for that. VERY LUCKY.

    I don't know what the answer is to all this. I mean, we want our drug companies to have a motive to make better pharmaceuticals, but it's really difficult to understand some of these outrageous prices that get passed on. That DOES need to be fixed, if someone needs the medicine. Except for that one blood thinner, all our medication has always been available in a generic. Again, we're very lucky in that regard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jagmasterwalter View Post
    . . . . now view public office as a money making career instead of civic duty. . . .
    And Cicero and our founders also believed in civic duty in the sphere of a virtuous citizenry. When people vote based purely on selfish motives or narrow self-interest, that is gone.
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    Sounds like that pharmacist is in the business for the right reasons. Time to buy that guy a steak dinner, because that's a ton of savings! Glad he was there to help out. My youngest son gets migraines and it is strange the meds that are covered by my insurance are not nearly as likely to be covered by my wifes insurance, but the amt she pays for a family plan is way less than what I would be charged. It pays to check when ever you or a loved one gets a new prescription because often times there are pretty deep discounts available from the manufacturer like your pharmacist found out for you! Worth checking!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lil red jeep View Post
    I understand you being mad. It makes perfectly good sense. The prices people pay for health care is crazy, especially out of pocket for a procedure. I recently had a change in companies my insurance company uses for mail order prescriptions. When I questioned how much I was charged for an acid reflux med on a 90 day order, the lady said I should be glad I wasn't paying cash because it would be $1190.00 for a 90 day supply! That's over $13.00 per pill. No one ever expects to have to pay that kind of money for meds, and there in lies part of the reasoning for the Obamacare, and that is to see that persons have prescription coverage to try to survive.
    wtf would I be mad?

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    Until we get term limits and significant campaign reform, arguing the majority of this stuff is about as useful as tits on a boar hog.
    Further, arguing vehemently for either side is just silly. With a few rare exceptions, all of these guys, Democrat or Republican, are in it for the same reasons, and those are the wrong reasons. Money, fame, notoriety, popularity, and power all drive these guys more than any constituents. They have campaigning down to an art form, when they should be focusing that energy and effort on proper governing.
    One last note: If you fall head over shoulders for MSNBC's drivel, Fox News' drivel, Bill Maher's drivel, Rush Limbaughs drivel, Barack Obama's drivel, or the drivel of any leaders of Congress (House or Senate), the internet would appreciate it if you would not write what you think on here.

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