Did anyone see the BS about striper fishing

[mytmouse]

The only way to have a true "effect" on the striper population is to go after the commercial fishermen. Charters and regular fishermen such as myself on a GOOD day could NEVER impact the population as these commercial guys are! I think that its a great idea that fishermen even want to participate in C&R. I mean just think how hard it is hookin and fighting that trophy rock just to let em go...lol.

If they want to make an impact go after commercial fisherman!! Oh wait, that's right, their license is much more and they get to tax all the fish they sell to distributors. I guess we will see the C&R banned soon enough then.

MYT

[transamsam98]

felas also keep this in mind charter and commercial guys must report how many we catch where we catch how often we catch every week and only have till the end of the month to send in all of our reports or else our license gets yanked immediately. I do not believe any of the private guys are submitting reports and given the amount of private guys with boats now a days and many guys fishing from shore as well. So please tell me how the private guys are tracking their yearly catch? I really am surprised how yall jump on the commercial guys when we re so heavily regulated also we are only allowed to commercial fish mon-thursday. anyways I am done with this topic as I do not want to ruffle any more feathers than I already have but keep this in mind guys you are talking about my lively hood the way I make a living.

[earl of DC]

Originally Posted by AtlantaKing

In and of itself, not fishing for pre-spawn fish if you can't keep them is not a bad idea. As the Chesapeake is the spawning ground for a major population of the striped bass in the mid-Atlantic region, there should be a fisheries wide moratorium on striped bass before the season opens: no commercial fishing for them, no recreational fishing for them, no trolling, no bait, nothing. The brood stock need to be protected.

xcellent point. ive always said that why fish for stripers during this time period
if you cant keep them!!!!

[BlueHwy]

Originally Posted by transamsam98

felas also keep this in mind charter and commercial guys must report how many we catch where we catch how often we catch every week and only have till the end of the month to send in all of our reports or else our license gets yanked immediately. I do not believe any of the private guys are submitting reports and given the amount of private guys with boats now a days and many guys fishing from shore as well. So please tell me how the private guys are tracking their yearly catch? I really am surprised how yall jump on the commercial guys when we re so heavily regulated also we are only allowed to commercial fish mon-thursday. anyways I am done with this topic as I do not want to ruffle any more feathers than I already have but keep this in mind guys you are talking about my lively hood the way I make a living.

transamsam98,

Thanks for the information. We all have to remember there are two (or 3 or 4) sides to every issue. And there usually isn't a simple answer, or if there was we wouldn't have an issue in the first place. My view is that what ever we do, we usually screw it up worse. (Rockfish populations for the past 10 years may be the happy exception.)

As for tracking and reporting my catch to the state - I'm fine with that.
Sept = 0
Oct = 0
Nov = 0

[transamsam98]

Originally Posted by BlueHwy

transamsam98,

Thanks for the information. We all have to remember there are two (or 3 or 4) sides to every issue. And there usually isn't a simple answer, or if there was we wouldn't have an issue in the first place. My view is that what ever we do, we usually screw it up worse. (Rockfish populations for the past 10 years may be the happy exception.)

As for tracking and reporting my catch to the state - I'm fine with that.
Sept = 0
Oct = 0
Nov = 0

Honestly if every single recreational fisherman had to report their fish the way we are required to you may see that they are catching the same poundage we are. however this is unlikely to happen as their are simply to many recreational fishermen to keep track of. honestly I have only been able to take one personal trip this year and it was a catch and release trip only managed to catch 4 on my own time. however we have only taken 63 charter trips this year and only 6 commercial trips this year.


on our comercial trips we got
70lbs =30 fish
130lbs = 45 fish
190lbs = 80 fish
430lbs = 140 fish
461lbs = 47 fish
200lbs = 30 fish



keep in mind most of our fish are cought while breaking so they have almost half a pound of bait in them sometimes.



anyways fellas no hard feeling but it a group effort caring for these fish and the commercial guys that play bythe book are doing no more harm to them than charter or recreational guys. the only rule I think should be enfoced all over is the limit of one fish over 28 inches per person per trip.

[Tracker16]

Originally Posted by transamsam98

felas also keep this in mind charter and commercial guys must report how many we catch where we catch how often we catch every week and only have till the end of the month to send in all of our reports or else our license gets yanked immediately. I do not believe any of the private guys are submitting reports and given the amount of private guys with boats now a days and many guys fishing from shore as well. So please tell me how the private guys are tracking their yearly catch? I really am surprised how yall jump on the commercial guys when we re so heavily regulated also we are only allowed to commercial fish mon-thursday. anyways I am done with this topic as I do not want to ruffle any more feathers than I already have but keep this in mind guys you are talking about my lively hood the way I make a living.

I understand where your comming from but I also fill out a survery every time I fish...Commerrcials are required too, but Reqs do it because we want to. When I was 42 yrs old I had to make a decision on weather to stay in the same career field and starve or learn something new. I chose to go back to school and learned a much more lucritive trade. It took me five years of going to school at night but now I make twice what I made before. You're never too old to learn something new.....Good Luck

[transamsam98]

Originally Posted by Tracker16

I understand where your comming from but I also fill out a survery every time I fish...Commerrcials are required too, but Reqs do it because we want to. When I was 42 yrs old I had to make a decision on weather to stay in the same career field and starve or learn something new. I chose to go back to school and learned a much more lucritive trade. It took me five years of going to school at night but now I make twice what I made before. You're never too old to learn something new.....Good Luck

I am a full time college student as well should have included that but did not see how that changes the argument. being a waterman is no longer a trade you can truely do for a living and that is very sad given the fact that so many people on the eastern shore and southern maryland used to be able to depend on the trade.

[Tracker16]

Originally Posted by transamsam98

I am a full time college student as well should have included that but did not see how that changes the argument. being a waterman is no longer a trade you can truely do for a living and that is very sad given the fact that so many people on the eastern shore and southern maryland used to be able to depend on the trade.

I understand ...I used to be a marine electroniccs tech but thats not what it use to be either. I loved working on the water too.

[Lipyourown]

Originally Posted by earl of DC

xcellent point. ive always said that why fish for stripers during this time period
if you cant keep them!!!!

Because many people like to go fishing more than they like eating a tasteless fish like striped bass- very little flavor. Just like most bass fishermen and alot drum fishermen prefer to release their fish. It truely becomes a more of a "sport" then.

Someone mentioned that comms keep way too many fish...but according to the authorities, rec fishermen keep more. I'm not sure what to believe because their counting methods seem very flawed.

Another thing to consider, and I could be wrong about this. There is a large group of boaters in the Bay that frown on all types of fishing besides their own method: light tackle jigging. That's a fact. These guys frown on trolling as being un-sporting. If this is so you can kiss bait fishing from shore good bye next.

Again, what is better for the fish- to be caught and released or to be caught and put in a cooler? I'm all for following the law and keep some fish myself, but to go after the catch and releasers is absurd.

[Loner]

Originally Posted by mytmouse

The only way to have a true "effect" on the striper population is to go after the commercial fishermen. Charters and regular fishermen such as myself on a GOOD day could NEVER impact the population as these commercial guys are! I think that its a great idea that fishermen even want to participate in C&R. I mean just think how hard it is hookin and fighting that trophy rock just to let em go...lol.

If they want to make an impact go after commercial fisherman!! Oh wait, that's right, their license is much more and they get to tax all the fish they sell to distributors. I guess we will see the C&R banned soon enough then.

MYT

ALL CHARTERS are COMMERCIALS....they catch fish for MONEY!!
More than a FEW sports SELL their limit (legal or not) to help pay expenses..
THIS MAKES SPORTS COMMERICALS...they caught fish for MONEY!!

Either make it where I CAN catch all I WANT TO and NOT BE BOTHERED or
MORITORIUM...EVERYONE!!!!

We will NEVER get it OUR WAY by blaming another group....WE ALL KILL FISH!!

[mytmouse]

ALL CHARTERS are COMMERCIALS....they catch fish for MONEY!!
More than a FEW sports SELL their limit (legal or not) to help pay expenses..
THIS MAKES SPORTS COMMERICALS...they caught fish for MONEY!!

Either make it where I CAN catch all I WANT TO and NOT BE BOTHERED or
MORITORIUM...EVERYONE!!!!

We will NEVER get it OUR WAY by blaming another group....WE ALL KILL FISH!!

My point was not to cast blame on commercial fisherman. HOWEVER, I can without a doubt state that commercial fisherman(not including charters) will have caught more of the striper population than every other fisherman combined! If they DNR really wants to save the population attacking the C&R fisherman isn't the way to go! We don't pull up as many fish so why are we the only ones being targeted? I haven't seen any articles about changes in commercial fishing regulations.

MYT

[Loner]

Originally Posted by mytmouse

My point was not to cast blame on commercial fisherman. HOWEVER, I can without a doubt state that commercial fisherman(not including charters) will have caught more of the striper population than every other fisherman combined! If they DNR really wants to save the population attacking the C&R fisherman isn't the way to go! We don't pull up as many fish so why are we the only ones being targeted? I haven't seen any articles about changes in commercial fishing regulations.

MYT

Have you seen the piles of DEAD MEAT lying on the docks at the end of the day from Charters???....then blasted all over the net on their fishing reports??
6 man charter....16 dead bass times how many boats??....sometimes for weeks at a time....this is NOT including us sports who LIMITED OUT and just left with NO ONE taking OUR PICTURE...

NO WAY the COMMS are approaching us recs on the number of DEAD FISH...
They just have BIGGER LICKS that can be photo'ed ....

I have always believed the REAL FISH KILLS are happening in the Walmart coolers or us the ROD and REEL bunch.....

[Lipyourown]

They are going after the trollers hard:
http://www.dnr.state.md.us/fisheries...seProposal.pdf

I guess chumming hard with tons of bunker on M,W&F will be better for the stripers and overall health of the Bay.

[fishingadam95]

Originally Posted by mytmouse

My point was not to cast blame on commercial fisherman. HOWEVER, I can without a doubt state that commercial fisherman(not including charters) will have caught more of the striper population than every other fisherman combined! If they DNR really wants to save the population attacking the C&R fisherman isn't the way to go! We don't pull up as many fish so why are we the only ones being targeted? I haven't seen any articles about changes in commercial fishing regulations.

MYT

auctally recreational fisherman catch and keep more than twice the amount of stripers in maryland.

[earl of DC]

me personally i think striper season in md should be between nov 1 to april 15 , 1 fish per day, & over 18 inches.
also would lift the after midnite rule for stripers in md.
and if caught wrong than you pay a 500$ penalty.

[earl of DC]

Originally Posted by fishingadam95

auctally recreational fisherman catch and keep more than twice the amount of stripers in maryland.

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true

[Tracker16]

Originally Posted by fishingadam95

auctally recreational fisherman catch and keep more than twice the amount of stripers in maryland.

Not according to federal statistics. Comms catch 44% and the state only issues 1200 comm striper licenses. That means 1200 people are allowed to catch and sell almost half of the stripers taken from MD waters. So then the 3 million other people in the state have to split the rest. Sounds like BS to me

[transamsam98]

Originally Posted by Tracker16

Not according to federal statistics. Comms catch 44% and the state only issues 1200 comm striper licenses. That means 1200 people are allowed to catch and sell almost half of the stripers taken from MD waters. So then the 3 million other people in the state have to split the rest. Sounds like BS to me

Is it 44% I couldnt remeber exactly whatv it was but I know without a dobut it cannot be exceeded and is norm shuit down with around 1000-1500 lbs of the quota still allowed and if exceeded it gets taken out of next years quota. I am sorry but off all the fisherman and fisherwoman both locol to md or any other state that catches rockfish I have a hard time beleiveing the commercial guys are out catching the private guys especialy considering the amount of under 16 year ols who are not reported due to not needing liscenses. The black sea bass is a perfect example of private guys exceeding their quota projected 150-220% of it if I remember correctly. by no means am I saying we dont impact the rockfish but all commercial fish come from the 44% drift netter pound netters hook and liners all of us pull from the same quota. keep this in mind fellas the recrational fisherman has exceeded their quota every year since the moretorium was lifted. I honestly am done with this thread now just keep those things in mind and realize their are bad commercial guys and bad recreational guys out their breaking the rules all the time hpefully no one on here is one of those scumbags though

[Ninethourpm]

Originally Posted by earl of DC

xcellent point. ive always said that why fish for stripers during this time period
if you cant keep them!!!!

Just because it hits the deck doesnt mean it has to die!
If you don't want to catch fish you cant eat then dont fish.

Recreational crabbers and fishermen didn't deplete the stocks Commercial fishermen and crabbers did. For every pound of fish you catch the take 100. They take millions of pounds every year. They kill millions of menhaden every year to turn it into old fart fish oil pills and animal food.

Of course commercial guys are all for stopping recreational fishing and crabbing. That way they can force you to pay 500-1000 dollars a day to fish on a charter or force their high prices on you to buy crabs and fish.

The only real solution is GIVE ROCK THE GAMEFISH STATUS.

[Tracker16]

gamefish status