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    Tying Earl Brinn Rig

    Hey folks I've recently found this great forum and was working on some pompano rigs as I'll be heading down to St. George Island in mid April.
    Ive got some rig bodies tied but the question I have is when tying my leaders to the overhand knots what exactly is the best way to do this? I know how to tie the uni knot but I'm not sure how best to connect the leaders to make them stand right. Also what have yall found is the best way to have the hooks facing, etc. I was planning on using 2/0 octopus circles, although I might try some smaller 1/0 hooks or different style hooks as well. Any and all input is appreciated!
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    if it's pompano you are after, Kahle hooks are the best geometry, hands down.

    How you attach the leaders is a matter of preference. I have tried many different types of tie-on methods, and I care less about how they "stand", and more about how easy they are to replace when they need to be. (which can be often, depending on where you fish, and how cheap your hooks are)

    Personally, I like to add dropper loops in the main body of the rig, and add 15lb fluorocarbon drops by way of either a clinch knot, or a jig loop. If them get bit off or broke off, it's just as simple as tying the next one onto the loop.

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    Thanks solid7,
    I have a pack of 1/0 red mutu hooks, would those work good? Im planning on having a couple of rods in holders and one or two to cast jigs. I was thinking the circles would be good to let fish in the holders while I'm hangin out casting.
    JT

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    Circles are OK, but pompano's mouths are a perfect fit for Kahles. They are better at self-hooking a fast moving fish than a circle.

    You won't have any problem leaving your rods in the holder while you do something else.

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    I am a firm believer in 1/0 Kahle hooks for Pompano.

    When tying the Earl Brinn, or two dropper rig. tie the overhand knot then go through from the top to tie the uni, or a clinch knot.

    I just tie overhand knots in the main leader where I want the droppers to be and tie a uni knot on the leader and slide it down to the knot(s). I don't go through the overhand knot at all. It works.

    Just make up a bunch of droppers(with beads) and store them on a piece of styrofoam. When you get to the fishing hole, just tie the droppers on then. It only takes a minute.

    Or...If you're really concerned about the droppers standing off, use a C2 Rig which is a wire spreader with sinker(or jig) on the bottom with bait(or jigs with teasers) on the side arms.

    Pompano aren't that leader shy. C2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    Pompano aren't that leader shy. C2
    On a slow day, I would disagree with that... There are definitely times when a leader makes a difference in catching. (especially in clear water)

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    Where did you go Solid7? I didn't mean to run you off. The operative word is 'that'. I said that Pompano aren't 'that' leader shy.

    You're probably right in stating that Pompano are leader shy under some conditions; I don't know what they are or have experienced them.

    I think that fluorocarbon for a leader material is a waste when a good thin mono works as well and is cheaper.

    Let's hear some ideas from you. I find them refreshing.

    I may even share my variation of the Earl Brinn Rig. RIP. C2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    Where did you go Solid7? I didn't mean to run you off.
    I'm still here.


    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    The operative word is 'that'. I said that Pompano aren't 'that' leader shy. You're probably right in stating that Pompano are leader shy under some conditions; I don't know what they are or have experienced them.
    I fish here in Florida, so I'm generally used to fishing in clear waters. Some days, our surf (or near surf) has a visibility of 30' or more. Not that often, but still. Now, I'm not experienced in fishing pomps in every condition, but when it's clear, given that they are mainly sight feeders, they do tend to get leader shy. Of course, sometimes, they are in a frenzy, and they just go nuts on any bait you present them. However, I don't get enough fishing days where I happen to pick up a good run. I am used to those days where I have to rely on hunter instinct, and a good day is 4 or 5 lbs worth of meat. (typically, I average about 2 pomps per session) On those days, where you don't have a mad school, you bet they tend to be a bit more discriminating.


    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    I think that fluorocarbon for a leader material is a waste when a good thin mono works as well and is cheaper.
    To me, the problem is still that you have to go thin. When I fish pomps, I like a light wire hook on 15-25lb fluoro drops. Why? Because when I get a snag, I can straighten out the hooks without losing my rig. If you see some of the tackle graveyards I fish, you'd understand. And even if I catch a 10lb pomp, (unrealistic, at best) it isn't going to straighten the hook, unless I'm fighting him against the drag. (which I don't do)

    In my scenario, the cost of fluoro is irrelevant, as it will last me all season. I'm only using it for drops, and I just consider it the cost of doing business. Having the clear fluoro means never having to worry if they are leader shy, or not...

    Here's the baffling part - why does a fish not find anything amiss about a "teaser" on a rig, but seems to notice the drop? Mind you, I ask because I've been outfished by guys using fluoro when I used to use mono in the same area. (that's what converted me)

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    Save the Fluoro and get some Pink Ande.
    Here's the baffling part - why does a fish not find anything amiss about a "teaser" on a rig, but seems to notice the drop? Mind you, I ask because I've been outfished by guys using fluoro when I used to use mono in the same area. (that's what converted me)
    How do you know they see the dropper? The guys that outfished you were putting baits in the right spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seajay View Post
    Save the Fluoro and get some Pink Ande.
    Sorry, just not a believer in the Pink Ande. I've outfished the pink Ande guys too many times to put any faith in it. Does it work? SUre. But I don't need designer colors to catch pomps.

    Quote Originally Posted by seajay View Post
    How do you know they see the dropper? The guys that outfished you were putting baits in the right spot.
    Thing is, I'm not the newb on the forum who is asking how to catch pomps. When we get into 'em, we work the beach, up or down tide, depending on which way they run. I don't just stand still, and wait. We overlap, and work in and amongst each other. (similar to a commercial fisherman) I'm quite certain they know it's there. And certain other fish (snook in particular) absolutely, beyond doubt, see leaders.

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    Hey Solid,
    Anyone ever use "flapper" rigs down that way?
    "Fluff... Zing... POW!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by tjbjornsen View Post
    Hey Solid,
    Anyone ever use "flapper" rigs down that way?
    I've seen them about, here and there. Mostly the European guys who come in seasonally. The rigs look like they take forever to tie, and like they cost about $10 a pop. Often times, they look like they are adorned with flounder hooks, and long cylindrical beads.

    Why do you ask?

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    If you've ever watched a jig/teaser tied back to back on a loop knot, you'll see what I mean:

    When you bring the jig off the bottom, it will create the 'magic puff of sand' which gets the POmpano(and other fishes) attention. The teaser works up and down to provide an enticing target to eat. You catch most of your fish on the teaser for that reason.

    I have seen the rigs tied on a split ring, but IMO, it doesn't provide the freedom for the teaser to move to give it the action that the good old loop knot provides.

    Pink Ande? I have a friend who fishes all up and down both Florida Coasts and he told me about some Stren Pink Coral Fluorocarbon line that he uses for a leader material. I forgot the line test, but I think that he said 20# . Supposed to be the 'cat's meow' for Pompano. I plan to give it a try just to satisfy my curiosity.

    Saw a picture on another forum where a friend of mine scored a 'triple' on Pompano. That is three fish on a single cast. Excellent achievement which I've never done. I've had multiple 'hookups' but never managed to land them all. One will get off. He caught them on a three dropper rig. Makes sense to me!

    The bait of choice over here is fresh cut shrimp. Some sand flea action as well.

    That's about all for this fine Easter Morning except that the jigs/teaser combo continue to produce well. C2

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    "I've seen them about, here and there. Mostly the European guys who come in seasonally. The rigs look like they take forever to tie, and like they cost about $10 a pop. Often times, they look like they are adorned with flounder hooks, and long cylindrical beads."

    I asked because I went from the Earl Brinn rigs to flapper rigs last year when I learned the Flapper, and just wondered if anyone down there was using them for pomps.

    They are not that complicated to tie nor that expensive. The only addition in comparison to the EB rig would be the two swivels that replace the overhand and uni-knot where the hooks are attached, and a small bead above and below the swivels to keep them from moving up and down the leader.
    The way I tie them is as follows;
    perfection loop at bottom for sinker, (snap swivel optional) -> 8-12" up overhand knot - bead - swivel - bead - overhand knot -> 8-12" up repeat beads and swivel, ->
    8-12" up another perfection loop w/ swivel at top to attach to main line.
    I then put a perfection loop at the end of my snelled hooks so I can switch out colors and hook sizes as needed without retying the whole thing, or replacing the whole EB rig.
    I'm convinced that the addition of the swivel where the hooks are attached enables them to spin freely around the leader, reducing the twist and tangling that I was getting from the EB rigs.
    "Fluff... Zing... POW!"

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    To each his/her own, but I tried the so-called 'Flapper Rig' some time ago and found that it added nothing but extra hardware. The two-dropper rig or Earl Brinn with my slight modification, caught just as many fish.

    I do plan on trying the Pink Fluorocarbon for a leader but otherwise it's a two dropper rig for my needs and conditions.

    KISS Keep it Simple. Don't complicate things. JMHO C2

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    The most renowned pompano fisherman in Florida doesn't use any pink Ande. Of course, to put a dent in my method, he also doesn't use fluoro or Kahle hooks. He matches bead color to the clams in the surf, and uses a 2/0 circle, with only 2 drops. (never 3)

    I think flapper rigs work just fine, and may have their place - namely rougher water. I don't use them for pompano, and probably won't. They look like they'd be great for anything that likes to "roll" your bait. (ladyfish are the first thing that come to mind)

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    Quote Originally Posted by solid7 View Post
    The most renowned pompano fisherman in Florida doesn't use any pink Ande. Of course, to put a dent in my method, he also doesn't use fluoro or Kahle hooks. He matches bead color to the clams in the surf, and uses a 2/0 circle, with only 2 drops. (never 3)

    I think flapper rigs work just fine, and may have their place - namely rougher water. I don't use them for pompano, and probably won't. They look like they'd be great for anything that likes to "roll" your bait. (ladyfish are the first thing that come to mind)
    I wonder who your 'Most Renowned Pompano Fisherman in Florida' is. I'd like to meet him/her as I have met many 'Renowned Pompano Fishermen' here in Florida.

    The person that suggested the pink Stren(not Ande) is a commercial fisherman who makes his living doing so. I listen to what he says along with others. lol!

    Will the 'real 'Most Renowned Pompano Fisherman in Florida' please stand up! C2
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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    I wonder who your 'Most Renowned Pompano Fisherman in Florida' is. I'd like to meet him/her as I have met many 'Renowned Pompano Fishermen' here in Florida.

    The person that suggested the pink Stren(not Ande) is a commercial fisherman who makes his living doing so. I listen to what he says along with others. lol!

    Will the 'real 'Most Renowned Pompano Fisherman in Florida' please stand up! C2

    Indeed Charlie...... Ever notice how many new members come on asking tons of questions and knowing nothing and are experts after a few months....
    Last edited by AbuMike; 04-15-2012 at 07:24 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMike View Post
    Indeed Charlie...... Ever notice how many new members come on asking tons of questions and knowing nothing and are experts after a few months....
    That's a funny comment, considering that I've never seen you post even so much as a suggestion that you know anything about catching pompano.

    But hey, if you've got some cards you aren't showing....

    The guy's name is Larry Finch, and he's an absolute badass. He probably knew Earl Brinn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie2 View Post
    I wonder who your 'Most Renowned Pompano Fisherman in Florida' is
    Me!










    Ok, not really.


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    all this fuss over catchin bait

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    Take a #4 Sabiki rig in orange, cut in half and tip with Shrimp. This is all the Pomp rig you need...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hooked Up View Post
    all this fuss over catchin bait

    Commercially it's one of the priciest "per pound" baits there is... so yeah, there's bound to be some fuss.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AbuMike View Post
    Take a #4 Sabiki rig in orange, cut in half and tip with Shrimp. This is all the Pomp rig you need...
    While that should certainly be effective at getting bites, I don't know how well a sabiki rig will handle eating-sized fish. Hooks are too small and line is too light.

    A 4lb pomp is quite a fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dudeondacouch View Post
    While that should certainly be effective at getting bites, I don't know how well a sabiki rig will handle eating-sized fish. Hooks are too small and line is too light.

    A 4lb pomp is quite a fighter.
    I've seen sabiki's with 17# line. How much fight does a 4# fish have? Maybe just a littltle drag will help

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